Doth Protest

As Long as Christ is Lifted Up: Thoughts on the Asbury Revival

The Rev. Bryan Jarrell recently wrote an article for Mockingbird about the Asbury Revival. We thank him for giving the time to be on Doth Protest Too Much to discuss what he wrote, as well as revivalism in general. Tune in for a great conversation.
Bryan is the pastor of Epiphany Anglican Fellowship in Ligonier, PA. Check his other pieces he has written for Mockingbird here.
The article that offers a breakdown of the 'Five Great American Revivals' can be accessed here.
The article from the Asbury student Anna Lowe about her experience at the revival can be accessed here.
The excerpt from Thomas Garrett Isham's biography of Charles McIlvaine that Andrew read the quote from can be found here.

Ellie Corrow & Bethany Kilcrease on ”The Making of Biblical Womanhood”

Deaconess Ellie Corrow and Dr. Bethany Kilcrease join the podcast to discuss their review of Beth Allison Barr's popular book The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Their review was published in 2021. 
Part 1 of their review can be read HERE.
Part 2 of their review can be read HERE.
Part 3 of their review can be read HERE. 
Deaconess Ellie Corrow serves as missionary care coordinator for the LCMS Office of International Mission. She also serves on the board of Higher Things- a Lutheran ministry to youth and young adults. Ellie writes, along with others including Dr. Kilcrease on their substack titled “Lutheran Women on the Road”, a blog and newsletter about "loving God and loving neighbor, and walking faithfully in this tension of Christian discipleship". 
Dr. Bethany Kilcrease is a professor of History at Aquinas College in Michigan. She holds a Ph.D. in modern British history from Boston University. She specializes in British and European modern intellectual and religious history. She is also the author of the recent book Falsehood and Fallacy: How to Think, Read, and Write in the Twenty-First Century
Additional show notes: Andrew made a reference to the book which argues for the commonly called 'egalitarian' position (men and women can share in ordained ministry) Bourgeois Babes, Bossy Wives, and Bobby Haircuts: A Case for Gender Equality in Ministry by Michael F. Bird.

Preaching & current events, recent trends in Biblical studies, and misreadings of Luther (with Todd Brewer)

We were excited to have Todd Brewer, New Testament scholar and Managing Editor of Mockingbird, join us for a great talk that covered a lot of important ground. So great that Andrew could not even come up with a name other than the various things we talked about! Enjoy!
Visit here to read more of Todd's work at Mockingbird. (We mention his MBird articles "Comforting the Comfortable", "How Revolutionary was Paul?", and "A View from the Ivory Tower", all accessible through that link.)
The quotation referenced by Andrew is found on p. 157 of Paul and the Power of Grace by John Barclay
Info on the controversy of the Catholic priest whose baptisms were ruled invalid

C.S. Lewis on Politics (with Dr. Suzanne Bray)

Dr. Suzanne Bray joins James and Andrew on this episode for an often unexplored but fascinating aspect of C.S. Lewis: his views on politics. Tune in for a great discussion! Dr. Bray is Professor of British Literature and Civilization at Lille Catholic University in the North of France. She has written extensively both in English and in French on C.S. Lewis and other modern Anglican authors. 
Check out some of her work at: https://univ-catholille.academia.edu/SuzanneBray 
Shownotes: 
*The articles by her that we reference in this episode are "C.S. Lewis and Politics" from An Anglo-American Literary Review and "C.S. Lewis as an Anglican" from the book Persona and Paradox: Issues of Identity for C.S. Lewis, his Friends and Associates. 
*Both articles are available to access at the site above. 
*The animated film adaptation of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP5uXoNf7Nc

Who Every Grief Hath Known: Our Favorite Hymns Part 4

*The title for this may give away one of the hymns we discuss.* Drew, Stephen, James, and Charlie get together to go further down (or up?) their list of favorite hymns. 
The article from Musical Times about the tune that Drew talked about can be found here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/904112
We recommend www.hymnary.org as a helpful resource and database in researching your own favorite hymns.

Remembering Jim Nestingen (1945-2022)

On Dec. 31st, 2022, the Rev. Dr. James Nestingen went to be with our Lord. Nestingen was a leading scholar and authority on Martin Luther in North America. However, he was much more a pastor before anything else. Many have been blessed to know him, to study under him, and to drink scotch with him- including our (returning) guest today: the Rev. Kyle Tomlin. Kyle was with us before for our episode on theology and comic books. Kyle was a student of Dr. Nestingen and shares some great memories about him on this episode.
In this episode we referenced the books:
Free to Be (which Nestingen co-authored with Gerhard Forde), https://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/product/5230/Free-to-Be-Student-Book
Martin Luther: A Life, https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-Life-James-Nestingen/dp/0800697146
Martin Luther: His Life and Teachings, https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-His-Life-Teachings/dp/1592446728
Also, to access the discussions and interviews of Nestingen from both Thinking Fellows podcast and Around the Table, as well as articles that Jim wrote, go to https://www.1517.org/contributors/jim-nestingen
The sermon on 'Faith vs. Piety': https://mbird.com/theology/jim-nestingen-on-faith-vs-piety/
The episode picture is taken from https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/james-nestingen-obituary?id=38527675

Books we liked and didn’t like over 2022 (w/ Rev. Zac Neubauer of EFAC)

Zac Neubauer joins the podcast again with Andrew to go over books we read over 2022- not necessarily books that were published in 2022 but books that we read over the course of that year. Tune in to hear our recommendations and opinions, and feel free to disagree!
Rev. Zac Neubauer is the President of EFAC-USA (Evangelical Fellowship in the Anglican Communion). This is his third time on the podcast (which means we owe him a t-shirt.) Zac serves as Interim Priest-in-Charge at St. Clement's Episcopal Church in Rancho Cordova, CA and is a graduate of Trinity School for Ministry in Ambridge, PA. Zac writes over at Confessing Anglicans. Find his work here: https://confessinganglicans.com/author/zneubauer/
 

Seminex: A Discussion with Dr. Erik Herrmann

"With any kind of history, there's a lot of empathy that has to be involved. You have to try to understand that there are objective issues but there's also the subjective: why people get caught up in this sort of thing, and any good history tries to deal with both."
This was a statement from our guest Erik Herrmann on this episode about the controversy that shook Concordia Seminary in St. Louis several decades ago that culminated in a walk-out of faculty and students. This is still a sensitive topic for faithful Lutheran Christians in the United States from different Lutheran denominations, and we pray for the day that Christ's Church may be united in confession, truth, and love. While we could not nearly get to every aspect of the Seminex story in this one episode, we do point you to the following resources (several which we discuss in the episode):
The video recordings of the entire course that Dr. Herrmann taught (along with his colleague Dr. Gerhard Bode) on Seminex "Controversy in the LCMS" can be accessed here: https://scholar.csl.edu/controversylcms/
The article that Andrew referenced by Robert Benne near the beginning of the episode:
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/05/the-trials-of-american-lutheranism
Frederick Danker's book No Room in the Brotherhood
*This book is from the perspective of a student involved in the walkout who later went on to be a New Testament scholar and professor in the ELCA.
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/No-room-brotherhood-Preus-Otten-Missouri/dp/091564410X?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423
Paul Zimmermann's book A Seminary in Crisis: The Inside Story of the Preus Fact Finding Committee
*This was written by chair of the committee that went to Concordia Seminary to interview the faculty.
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Seminary-Crisis-Inside-Finding-Committee/dp/0758611021
James Burkee's book Power, Politics, and the Missouri-Synod: A Conflict That Changed American Christianity
*This book is discussed at length in the episode and focuses on the role Herman Otten played in the events leading up to Seminex
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Politics-Missouri-Synod-Burkee/dp/1451465386/ref=sr_1_1?crid=AEDQQFTMPAYT&keywords=james+burkee+missouri+synod&qid=1668473964&s=books&sprefix=james+burkee+missouri+synod%2Cstripbooks%2C109&sr=1-1
A primary source: Exodus from Concordia: A Report on the 1974 Walkout
* The official report put out by the seminary in book form
Available digitized for free at: https://archive.org/details/ConcordiaSemBdOfControlWalkoutOf1974
James E. Adams' book Preus of Missouri and the Great Lutheran Civil War*Biography of the president of the Missouri Synod at the time of Seminex and how he dealt with the issue
Available at: https://www.amazon.com/Preus-Missouri-great-Lutheran-civil/dp/0060600713
John Tietjen's book Memoirs in Exile: Confessional Hope and Institutional Conflict
*Book written by the president of Concordia Seminary at the time of Seminex
Available digitized for free at: https://archive.org/details/memoirsinexileco0000tiet
The early article from Martin Scharlemann on Scriptural inerrancy that Charlie referred to can be read here:
https://archive.org/details/ScharlemannMTheInerrancyOfScripture/page/n23/mode/2up
A related article on this topic written by the Concordia theology professor Arthur Carl Piepkorn (mentioned by Andrew) can be found here: https://scholar.csl.edu/ctm/vol36/iss1/48/

Our Favorite Hymns Part 3

The title for the episode comes from our discussion on Charlie's hymn today. Andrew, James, and Charlie gather to go further down the list of their favorite hymns (or further up?). We did just two today as James and Andrew shared one. Stephen was unfortunately unable to join us but will be back with a double feature on the next part of this series.
Andrew made a reference to Jack Kilcrease's recent book Justification by the Word: Restoring Sola Fide in connection to Charlie's hymn. This book aims to restore the true Protestant sense of 'the faith' where we find our certainty rather than 'my faith'- the latter which has become so characteristic (and sometimes toxic) in later forms of Protestantism especially in pietism and North American revivalism/Great Awakening (and as James and Andrew get into, also takes form in mainline Protestantism and modern Catholicism).
We give special thanks to Aaron Shows for providing all the music for this episode.
Without trying to give spoilers, here are two links to versions/renditions of Andrew and James' hymn that they enjoy. (Give them a listen after you listen to the episode).
James' favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGoqWBs30o
Andrew's favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsVnvN3EVxY

Known and Loved: David Zahl and Low Anthropology

"an antidote to all the self-help nonsense that weighs down our bookshelves and our self-regard" -These words from Nadia Bolz-Weber are about David Zahl's new book Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others (and Yourself). 
David Zahl joins Andrew, Stephen, and James on this episode of Doth Protest Too Much for a great discussion about where our true hope lies: not in the illusion that people are "infinitely improvable", which Zahl argues only leads to despair, burnout, and the feeling of "not enoughness", but in an acknowledgement of a low anthropology (which we define and discuss at length on the podcast). We also have fun discussion about David’s favorite member from a certain band, his favorite Funko Pop figure that he owns, and more... *Andrew apologizes for his mic. He tried out a new set of headphones for this episode and apparently the mic isn't that great.* 
David Zahl is the founder and editor of Mockingbird Ministries, and the editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. He is based in Charlotesville, NC and has served since 2010 as the College and Adult Education Minister and Lay Preacher at Christ Episcopal Church in Charlottesville, NC. He is the author of numerous books including A Mess of Help: The Crucified Soul of Rock ‘n’ Roll, Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion (And What to do about it),  Law and Gospel: A Theology for Sinners (and Saints), and his latest book which we will be discussing today Low Anthopology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others published this year through Brazos Press. 
Shownotes: 
*the word 'kiss' when referring to the band KISS, does not stand for Kids in Satan's Service, neither does it stand (as Andrew joked) for Keep it Simple and Stupid (although that is an acronym Andrew remembers from his military days). 
Dave's podcast on music 'Well of Sound' that he co-hosts can be found here.