Doth Protest

Who Every Grief Hath Known: Our Favorite Hymns Part 4

*The title for this may give away one of the hymns we discuss.* Drew, Stephen, James, and Charlie get together to go further down (or up?) their list of favorite hymns. 
The article from Musical Times about the tune that Drew talked about can be found here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/904112
We recommend www.hymnary.org as a helpful resource and database in researching your own favorite hymns.

Remembering Jim Nestingen (1945-2022)

On Dec. 31st, 2022, the Rev. Dr. James Nestingen went to be with our Lord. Nestingen was a leading scholar and authority on Martin Luther in North America. However, he was much more a pastor before anything else. Many have been blessed to know him, to study under him, and to drink scotch with him- including our (returning) guest today: the Rev. Kyle Tomlin. Kyle was with us before for our episode on theology and comic books. Kyle was a student of Dr. Nestingen and shares some great memories about him on this episode.
In this episode we referenced the books:
Free to Be (which Nestingen co-authored with Gerhard Forde), https://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/product/5230/Free-to-Be-Student-Book
Martin Luther: A Life, https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-Life-James-Nestingen/dp/0800697146
Martin Luther: His Life and Teachings, https://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-His-Life-Teachings/dp/1592446728
Also, to access the discussions and interviews of Nestingen from both Thinking Fellows podcast and Around the Table, as well as articles that Jim wrote, go to https://www.1517.org/contributors/jim-nestingen
The sermon on 'Faith vs. Piety': https://mbird.com/theology/jim-nestingen-on-faith-vs-piety/
The episode picture is taken from https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/james-nestingen-obituary?id=38527675

Books we liked and didn’t like over 2022 (w/ Rev. Zac Neubauer of EFAC)

Zac Neubauer joins the podcast again with Andrew to go over books we read over 2022- not necessarily books that were published in 2022 but books that we read over the course of that year. Tune in to hear our recommendations and opinions, and feel free to disagree!
Rev. Zac Neubauer is the President of EFAC-USA (Evangelical Fellowship in the Anglican Communion). This is his third time on the podcast (which means we owe him a t-shirt.) Zac serves as Interim Priest-in-Charge at St. Clement's Episcopal Church in Rancho Cordova, CA and is a graduate of Trinity School for Ministry in Ambridge, PA. Zac writes over at Confessing Anglicans. Find his work here: https://confessinganglicans.com/author/zneubauer/
 

Seminex: A Discussion with Dr. Erik Herrmann

"With any kind of history, there's a lot of empathy that has to be involved. You have to try to understand that there are objective issues but there's also the subjective: why people get caught up in this sort of thing, and any good history tries to deal with both."
This was a statement from our guest Erik Herrmann on this episode about the controversy that shook Concordia Seminary in St. Louis several decades ago that culminated in a walk-out of faculty and students. This is still a sensitive topic for faithful Lutheran Christians in the United States from different Lutheran denominations, and we pray for the day that Christ's Church may be united in confession, truth, and love. While we could not nearly get to every aspect of the Seminex story in this one episode, we do point you to the following resources (several which we discuss in the episode):
The video recordings of the entire course that Dr. Herrmann taught (along with his colleague Dr. Gerhard Bode) on Seminex "Controversy in the LCMS" can be accessed here: https://scholar.csl.edu/controversylcms/
The article that Andrew referenced by Robert Benne near the beginning of the episode:
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/05/the-trials-of-american-lutheranism
Frederick Danker's book No Room in the Brotherhood
*This book is from the perspective of a student involved in the walkout who later went on to be a New Testament scholar and professor in the ELCA.
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/No-room-brotherhood-Preus-Otten-Missouri/dp/091564410X?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423
Paul Zimmermann's book A Seminary in Crisis: The Inside Story of the Preus Fact Finding Committee
*This was written by chair of the committee that went to Concordia Seminary to interview the faculty.
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Seminary-Crisis-Inside-Finding-Committee/dp/0758611021
James Burkee's book Power, Politics, and the Missouri-Synod: A Conflict That Changed American Christianity
*This book is discussed at length in the episode and focuses on the role Herman Otten played in the events leading up to Seminex
Link to book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Politics-Missouri-Synod-Burkee/dp/1451465386/ref=sr_1_1?crid=AEDQQFTMPAYT&keywords=james+burkee+missouri+synod&qid=1668473964&s=books&sprefix=james+burkee+missouri+synod%2Cstripbooks%2C109&sr=1-1
A primary source: Exodus from Concordia: A Report on the 1974 Walkout
* The official report put out by the seminary in book form
Available digitized for free at: https://archive.org/details/ConcordiaSemBdOfControlWalkoutOf1974
James E. Adams' book Preus of Missouri and the Great Lutheran Civil War*Biography of the president of the Missouri Synod at the time of Seminex and how he dealt with the issue
Available at: https://www.amazon.com/Preus-Missouri-great-Lutheran-civil/dp/0060600713
John Tietjen's book Memoirs in Exile: Confessional Hope and Institutional Conflict
*Book written by the president of Concordia Seminary at the time of Seminex
Available digitized for free at: https://archive.org/details/memoirsinexileco0000tiet
The early article from Martin Scharlemann on Scriptural inerrancy that Charlie referred to can be read here:
https://archive.org/details/ScharlemannMTheInerrancyOfScripture/page/n23/mode/2up
A related article on this topic written by the Concordia theology professor Arthur Carl Piepkorn (mentioned by Andrew) can be found here: https://scholar.csl.edu/ctm/vol36/iss1/48/

Our Favorite Hymns Part 3

The title for the episode comes from our discussion on Charlie's hymn today. Andrew, James, and Charlie gather to go further down the list of their favorite hymns (or further up?). We did just two today as James and Andrew shared one. Stephen was unfortunately unable to join us but will be back with a double feature on the next part of this series.
Andrew made a reference to Jack Kilcrease's recent book Justification by the Word: Restoring Sola Fide in connection to Charlie's hymn. This book aims to restore the true Protestant sense of 'the faith' where we find our certainty rather than 'my faith'- the latter which has become so characteristic (and sometimes toxic) in later forms of Protestantism especially in pietism and North American revivalism/Great Awakening (and as James and Andrew get into, also takes form in mainline Protestantism and modern Catholicism).
We give special thanks to Aaron Shows for providing all the music for this episode.
Without trying to give spoilers, here are two links to versions/renditions of Andrew and James' hymn that they enjoy. (Give them a listen after you listen to the episode).
James' favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGoqWBs30o
Andrew's favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsVnvN3EVxY

Known and Loved: David Zahl and Low Anthropology

"an antidote to all the self-help nonsense that weighs down our bookshelves and our self-regard" -These words from Nadia Bolz-Weber are about David Zahl's new book Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others (and Yourself). 
David Zahl joins Andrew, Stephen, and James on this episode of Doth Protest Too Much for a great discussion about where our true hope lies: not in the illusion that people are "infinitely improvable", which Zahl argues only leads to despair, burnout, and the feeling of "not enoughness", but in an acknowledgement of a low anthropology (which we define and discuss at length on the podcast). We also have fun discussion about David’s favorite member from a certain band, his favorite Funko Pop figure that he owns, and more... *Andrew apologizes for his mic. He tried out a new set of headphones for this episode and apparently the mic isn't that great.* 
David Zahl is the founder and editor of Mockingbird Ministries, and the editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. He is based in Charlotesville, NC and has served since 2010 as the College and Adult Education Minister and Lay Preacher at Christ Episcopal Church in Charlottesville, NC. He is the author of numerous books including A Mess of Help: The Crucified Soul of Rock ‘n’ Roll, Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion (And What to do about it),  Law and Gospel: A Theology for Sinners (and Saints), and his latest book which we will be discussing today Low Anthopology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Others published this year through Brazos Press. 
Shownotes: 
*the word 'kiss' when referring to the band KISS, does not stand for Kids in Satan's Service, neither does it stand (as Andrew joked) for Keep it Simple and Stupid (although that is an acronym Andrew remembers from his military days). 
Dave's podcast on music 'Well of Sound' that he co-hosts can be found here.

You Are Forgiven for Jesus Christ’s Sake: A Conversation with Mark Mattes

Notable Luther scholar and theologian Dr. Mark Mattes joins DPTM hosts Stephen Burnett and Rev. James Rickenbaker in this episode to discuss the importance of God's forgiveness and righteousness given to us by His efficacious Word. Dr. Mattes is Professor of Philosophy and Theology at Grand View College in Des Moines, Iowa, and has served congregations as a pastor in Illinois and Wisconsin. He has authored many books and journal articles on Martin Luther and Lutheranism. Some of the titles of these works include Martin Luther’s Theology of Beauty: A Reappraisal and Law & Gospel in Action: Foundations, Ethics, and Church. In this episode, we discuss Luther, Law & Gospel, the contemporary Luther scholarship of Gerhard Forde and Oswald Bayer, as well as spending time to get to know Dr. Mattes and what led to his interests.
Shownotes:
Mark’s article “Preaching to C and E Christians” from 1517 can be read here:
https://www.1517.org/articles/preaching-to-c-e-christians
The works referred to in this episode are:
C.F.W Walther’s The Proper Distinction Between Law and Gospel-public domain available at https://lutherantheology.com/uploads/works/walther/LG/
Martin Luther's commentary/exposition on the Magnificat
-found in Luther's Works, Volume 21
https://www.cph.org/p-627-Luthers-Works-Volume-21-Sermon-on-the-Mount-and-the-Magnificat.aspx
Martin Luther's Treatise on Good Works-the Annotated Study Edition of this is available at https://www.amazon.com/Treatise-Good-Works-1520-Annotated/dp/1506413536?scrlybrkr=c3bf1423
Gerhard Forde's On Being a Theologian of the Cross
-https://www.amazon.com/Being-Theologian-Cross-Reflections-Disputation/dp/080284345X
Roland Bainton’s biography of Luther, Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther
-https://www.christianbook.com/here-stand-life-of-martin-luther/roland-bainton/9780452011465/pd/011469

We Need to be Rescued: Rev. Kyle Tomlin from ”God and Comics”

Rev. Kyle Tomlin joins the podcast to discuss his longtime interests in comic books and superheroes. We discuss Spiderman, Green Lantern, Deadpool, Batman, Superman, the Watchmen, the Boys, and more. Andrew is a bit less seasoned in the comic book universe, so James and Kyle really carried the conversation today. But importantly, we explore what messaging may people be internalizing from comics and superheroes as well as wider pop culture, and ponder what the Gospel of grace in Christ can offer to a culture that is, as Kyle believes, hungry to be rescued.
Kyle hosts a podcast called "God and Comics" along with Rev's Matt Stromberg and Jonathan Mitchican. He is the rector of Church of the Messiah, Episcopal in Fredericksburg, VA. He is an Anglican with a Christ-centered, Reformationally-rooted theology.
Check out God and Comics at www.godandcomics.com and their podcast at anchor.fm/godandcomics

Conscience Over Councils: A Discussion with River Devereux

River Devereux joins Andrew on this episode of 'Doth Protest' for a helpful conversation about the Reformational understanding of Scripture's authority in relation to Creeds and Councils. River's recent work in the North American Anglican has generated great conversation and some controversy surrounding this topic. River's argument is: "our entire theological system necessitates the validity of private judgement" (from his article "To Follow One's Conscience: A Defense of True Protestantism"), and that church councils cannot claim to bind our conscience. This does not equate to, River says, a type of anarchic individualism nor does it, importantly, subject Scripture to our own reason (as we see in the case of the Enlightenment). 
Here are links to the River's articles that we mentioned:
"To Follow One's Conscience: A Defense of True Protestantism"
"To Reject a Council: An Essay on Scripture, the Church, and the Believer"
"Reformation Anglicanism and Nicaea II"
This is a link to River's YouTube channel New Kingdom Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9i77qgn4y1yTat-LgjLMg
Additional show notes from Andrew (Disclaimer: the authors of these may or may not be in agreement with every point we made in the episode):
"The Authority of Scripture" by Jack Kilcrease
Heiko A. Oberman's book Dawn of the Reformation

A Damnable Statement About God: Justin Holcomb on What Heresy is and Why Humility Matters

What is heresy? Can it be understood sympathetically without condoning it? James and Stephen of 'Doth Protest' had a great discussion with Justin Holcomb on this topic. You are in for a fascinating and uplifting discussion. Justin is an Episcopal priest and has served as the Canon for Vocations in the Diocese of Central Florida since 2013. He teaches theology and apologetics at Reformed Theological Seminary and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. You can visit Justin's website at justinholcomb.com
SHOWNOTES:
Justin’s article “Why You Shouldn’t Call that False Teaching a Heresy?”
Justin’s new devotional: God with Us: 365 Devotions on the Person and Work of Christ
Justin and Lindsey Holcomb’s new children’s’ book: God Made Babies
We also referenced Michael Horton's book Christless Christianity: The Alternative Gospel of the American Church